| 12:58 am |
doctorjeff: |
first #scichat -- starts in 5 minutes! Topic= increasing the relevancy of school science. #edchat#teacher #science #education |
| 12:59 am |
21stcenturychem: |
I'm searching for #scichat live on TweetGrid Search - http://tweetgrid.com/search?q=%23scichat |
| 1:00 am |
doctorjeff: |
So how many #scichat ters are out there in the Twitterverse? |
| 1:00 am |
porchdragon: |
@doctorjeff totally overwhelmed w/the end of school and this reduced G flight I am doing this summer! You? #scichat |
| 1:00 am |
stardiverr: |
@doctorjeff I'm around. #scichat |
| 1:01 am |
padgets: |
#scichat me me me me me from Iowa!!! |
| 1:01 am |
Brunsell: |
Let's get this #scichat party started: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V83JR2IoI8k |
| 1:01 am |
doctorjeff: |
@porchdragon totally overwhelmed with the launch of SSEP. But good to be here on #scichat |
| 1:01 am |
21stcenturychem: |
NYC here #scichat |
| 1:01 am |
mattguthrie: |
Minutes away - making school science more relevant in #scichat |
| 1:01 am |
doctorjeff: |
@padgets you you you from Iowa? #scichat |
| 1:02 am |
gardenglen: |
Excited to be a SciTchr participating in #scichat - MS Sci in UT |
| 1:02 am |
Brunsell: |
I'm from Wisconsin and looking forward to the start of many conversations. #scichat |
| 1:02 am |
mattguthrie: |
@doctorjeff one here in Clayton, NC #scichat |
| 1:03 am |
doctorjeff: |
@Brunsell cool video:) #scichat |
| 1:03 am |
posthhs: |
@doctorjeff Here in NJ #scichat |
| 1:03 am |
janellewilson: |
@doctorjeff I'm here-but will be eating a late dinner shortly so may pop out early. #scichat |
| 1:03 am |
doctorjeff: |
Gosh, looks like a great turnout for the first #scichat |
| 1:04 am |
Brunsell: |
#scichat: shall we start? Quite a few kids do not see a connection between science & their lives -- what do you do to make it relevant? |
| 1:04 am |
porchdragon: |
@doctorjeff LOVE the new idea.Don't know if I have the time to force the issue with my district/community though.And If I don't... #scichat |
| 1:04 am |
chrisludwig: |
Ready for #scichat! Looks like I'm following all the right people 'cause they're here too. |
| 1:05 am |
berrendsci: |
HS science here from Utah (although in Cincinnati finishing AP reading!)#scichat |
| 1:05 am |
padgets: |
#scichat, so, making school science more relavent, how many of you have textbooks in your classroom? |
| 1:06 am |
mattguthrie: |
shared w/stdts today our struggle to id allergic foods for our family - emphasized the need to think scientifically to do so #scichat |
| 1:06 am |
mattguthrie: |
Gave them details then had them design diet & process #scichat |
| 1:06 am |
mattguthrie: |
@padgets I have textbooks but RARELY use #scichat |
| 1:06 am |
21stcenturychem: |
we have textbooks (students purchase) but we rarely use; we create our own textbook as we go along #scichat |
| 1:07 am |
porchdragon: |
@Brunsell I have created courses in physics specificall to connect physics with sports in 1 and Art in the other #scichat |
| 1:07 am |
danielbeylerian: |
Recharge iPod w/ Lemon Juice RT @Brunsell: #scichat: Quite a few kids dnt C a connct btwn science/their lives-wht do U do 2 make it relvant? |
| 1:07 am |
padgets: |
#scichat best way to tech the Sci mehtod? |
| 1:07 am |
chrisludwig: |
I think we'll see more relevancy in science classrooms once we let go of our massive lists of content to "cover" #scichat |
| 1:07 am |
mattguthrie: |
@padgets we started a wiki for next year's stdts, but unfortunately didn't get edited & organized before year end #scichat |
| 1:08 am |
mattguthrie: |
RT @chrisludwig: I think we'll see more relevancy in science classrooms once we let go of our massive lists of content to "cover" #scichat |
| 1:08 am |
porchdragon: |
@padgets I have textbooks but use them for reference to our class dialogues #scichat |
| 1:08 am |
21stcenturychem: |
@chrisludwig I agree, its better to focus on the process #scichat |
| 1:08 am |
stardiverr: |
I have textbooks. I'm just not sure where they are, right now........ #scichat |
| 1:08 am |
porchdragon: |
@padgets Which scientific method? ;^) #scichat |
| 1:08 am |
doctorjeff: |
A related question - what is it about how science is taught that makes it seem irrelevant? #scichat |
| 1:08 am |
Brunsell: |
@chrisludwig do standards create that massive list or is it standards layered on top of "tradition?" #scichat |
| 1:08 am |
stardiverr: |
"cover." Makes me thing of tarpaulean. #scichat |
| 1:09 am |
doctorjeff: |
RT @chrisludwig: I think we'll see more relevancy in science classrooms once we let go of our massive lists of content to "cover" #scichat |
| 1:09 am |
gardenglen: |
if U cr8 authentic learning experiences, stdnts C Sci as a part of life ... not just a subject of study #scichat |
| 1:09 am |
mattguthrie: |
I look for current events to tie to current topic being studied #scichat |
| 1:09 am |
padgets: |
#scichat I teach 5 themes, no chapter 1 to chapter 50, textbooks references, |
| 1:09 am |
stardiverr: |
Kids aren't used to process, in my district. They all think - product must look good. #scichat |
| 1:09 am |
posthhs: |
I'm sure we all try to make sci more relevant by integrating how it applies to the real world in our daily lessons #scichat |
| 1:10 am |
joangallagher: |
Late to the party. Sry. Might I ask, how are you all defining "relevant"? #scichat |
| 1:10 am |
stardiverr: |
kids need to learn what is process. #scichat |
| 1:10 am |
aforgrave: |
What makes "learning science" different from other learning? #scichat |
| 1:10 am |
21stcenturychem: |
@gardenglen I agree, also authentic research experiences (beyond "which paper towel is best") #scichat |
| 1:10 am |
mattguthrie: |
@doctorjeff becomes irrelevant when it is list of topics to cover or vocab to learn out of context (just like any subj) #scichat |
| 1:10 am |
padgets: |
@porchdragon #scichat my thoughts exactly, are we all teaching the sci method the same way? probably not |
| 1:10 am |
doctorjeff: |
@chrisludwig how many science classrooms are given the latitude to put emphasis on the process rather than the content? #scichat |
| 1:10 am |
Brunsell: |
@padgets sci methods - focus on helping students create evidence-based explanations. #scichat |
| 1:10 am |
posthhs: |
But at my current school, we race to cover soooo much material, relevancy is sometimes rushed, b/c it's not on the test #scichat |
| 1:11 am |
doctorjeff: |
RT @gardenglen: if U cr8 authentic learning experiences, stdnts C Sci as a part of life ... not just a subject of study #scichat |
| 1:11 am |
gardenglen: |
Thinking of @chrisludwig's comment ... will Nat'l Standards B driven by text companies OR by Good Sci Processes #scichat |
| 1:11 am |
chrisludwig: |
@Brunsell Tradition is a huge part of bloated curriculum. Inertia (in the laziness sense) is another. #scichat |
| 1:11 am |
doctorjeff: |
RT @stardiverr: Kids aren't used to process, in my district. They all think - product must look good. #scichat |
| 1:11 am |
padgets: |
RT @padgets: @mattguthrie #scichat used a wiki and blog this year, made a huge different in critical thinking, paper pencil did not work |
| 1:11 am |
mattguthrie: |
@joangallagher I'm defining relevant as "I'm interested and want to learn more" but could also mean deals w/matters at hand #scichat |
| 1:11 am |
joangallagher: |
@gardenglen True 4 all subjects. Subjects should not b segregated. They r all related in life, so why separate them in school #scichat |
| 1:11 am |
ehelfant: |
@stardiverr grading process is an interesting proposition- we're talking about grading process, product, and progress #scichat |
| 1:11 am |
Brunsell: |
@aforgrave context -- learning in a discipline should "model" the process of the discipline. #scichat |
| 1:12 am |
aforgrave: |
"The purpose of any good scientific inquiry is to make two questions grow where one grew before." #scichat |
| 1:12 am |
doctorjeff: |
@joangallagher students viewing science 'relevant' to their lives. #scichat |
| 1:12 am |
MrTRice_Science: |
Integrating real world project-based learning with Social Studies & English has helped #scichat |
| 1:12 am |
Brunsell: |
@chrisludwig agreed! This is useful: http://www.project2061.org/publications/designs/ch7intro.htm#scichat |
| 1:12 am |
joangallagher: |
@mattguthrie With that, the whole issue then requires you to REALLY get to know yer kids. That's how u'll know what interests them. #scichat |
| 1:13 am |
mattguthrie: |
@aforgrave really shouldn't be any diff. Critical thinking is not subj defined #scichat |
| 1:13 am |
chrisludwig: |
@doctorjeff Not many classrooms, I wld guess. Too many state standards. CO has gotten better, tho. Happy with our latest stands. #scichat |
| 1:13 am |
21stcenturychem: |
I think most students see science as relevant, the problem may be that they're bored to death with worksheets and dense rdg #scichat |
| 1:13 am |
porchdragon: |
@padgets I start the year by telling my students everything they learned bout sci method is garbage.Its just 1 way of doing science #scichat |
| 1:13 am |
padgets: |
#scichat if textbooks are digital and we use digital media, why worry about the current textbook which is out of date when we get it? |
| 1:13 am |
ehelfant: |
@gardenglen as we move to semester electives, we've moved away from text in favor of controlling content/learning #scichat |
| 1:13 am |
doctorjeff: |
@joangallagher so math should also not be taught apart too. #scichat |
| 1:14 am |
mattguthrie: |
@doctorjeff I've been lucky enough that my admin liked my process vs content approach - wished all his tchrs did same #scichat |
| 1:14 am |
stardiverr: |
a real-world project my physics class worked on: http://bit.ly/aRo3iS #scichat |
| 1:14 am |
porchdragon: |
RT @joangallagher True 4 all subjects. Subjects should not b segregated. They r all related in life, so why separate them in school #scichat |
| 1:14 am |
posthhs: |
@doctorjeff Most schools unfortunately don't have much latitude, so we're kind of stuck. #scichat |
| 1:14 am |
doctorjeff: |
Themes emerging for 'relevance': science taught as process #scichat |
| 1:14 am |
stardiverr: |
.@21stcenturychem can we just take all the worksheet teachers and put them in one building? #scichat |
| 1:14 am |
chrisludwig: |
@21stcenturychem Agree with the worksheet problem. See too many sci teachers relying on worksheets, never doing labs. #scichat |
| 1:15 am |
doctorjeff: |
Themes emerging for relevance: 2. science connected to everyday life #scichat |
| 1:15 am |
Brunsell: |
@joangallagher search for #scichat on Twitter @ include #scichat in your posts! |
| 1:15 am |
padgets: |
#scichat Iowa has the Iowa Core Curriculum, still have local control on how to teach it |
| 1:15 am |
doctorjeff: |
Themes emerging for relevance: 3. science not taught in isolation #scichat |
| 1:15 am |
gardenglen: |
Like @ehelfant I have used text very little 4 years. Much prefer having stdnts experience sci than reading it #scichat |
| 1:15 am |
Brunsell: |
@porchdragon #scichat -- you should describe the bridge project too! |
| 1:15 am |
mattguthrie: |
@joangallagher All I did was write down all their ?'s After a couple of months I said pick one & research it #scichat |
| 1:15 am |
porchdragon: |
@aforgrave I think the best reply to a question is why? or How? then followed by let's find out! #scichat |
| 1:16 am |
mattguthrie: |
@joangallagher it was their fave assignment all year. We all learned something #scichat |
| 1:16 am |
joangallagher: |
@mattguthrie Agreed. Process is key. Reflection and Feedback is also key when using this approach. #scichat |
| 1:16 am |
stardiverr: |
@21stcenturychem agree - I think students see sci as relevant, and then we show them its just vocabulary and worksheets. #scichat |
| 1:16 am |
doctorjeff: |
Themes emerging for relevance: 4. science taught through real world projects #scichat |
| 1:16 am |
padgets: |
@stardiverr #scichat love that idea! |
| 1:16 am |
gardenglen: |
Like @chrisludwig I often observe tchrs who think doing Sci means doing bookwork & worksheets (Labs R Prize 2 B won) #scichat |
| 1:16 am |
Brunsell: |
@chrisludwig Ouch! And when I do see labs they are often "confirmation" labs. #scichat |
| 1:16 am |
porchdragon: |
@joangallagher Wait! I have to get to KNOW my kids? That would take TIME and I might not get through the required curriculum! #scichat |
| 1:17 am |
posthhs: |
@mattguthrie I see relevance as "making an impact on my life now" #scichat |
| 1:17 am |
padgets: |
#scichat here is our blog and wiki tekkieoldteacher.wikispaces.com and padgets.edublogs.org |
| 1:17 am |
aforgrave: |
@porchdragon So engaging students in an active inquiry process differentiates science from other disciplines? #scichat |
| 1:17 am |
porchdragon: |
@doctorjeff ALL subjects should be taught togther and students should be shown the connections #scichat |
| 1:17 am |
mattguthrie: |
So Sad :-( RT @gardenglen: Like @chrisludwig often observe tchrs who think Sci means bookwork & worksheets (Labs R Prize 2 B won) #scichat |
| 1:17 am |
Mamacita: |
I believe that science is best learned when hands get dirty & there's a lot of "ooh!" and "cool!" during & after. #edchat #scichat |
| 1:18 am |
21stcenturychem: |
I LOVE @joangallagher 's approach of group collaboration and teamwork toward's solving conventional (and non-) Q's in creative ways #scichat |
| 1:18 am |
doctorjeff: |
What stands in the way of teaching science so that it is relevant? #scichat |
| 1:18 am |
gardenglen: |
Sci Stdnts should learn & use Sci terms ... not memorize words & definitions. Help terms relate 2 life experiences #scichat |
| 1:18 am |
posthhs: |
@porchdragon and lets find out is more than just one google search! #scichat |
| 1:18 am |
chrisludwig: |
@gardenglen @Brunsell I hear too many concerns about safety and student numbers= excuses to stay with tried and true wkshts #scichat |
| 1:18 am |
joangallagher: |
@porchdragon Nice! ;) Content is meaningLESS w/out meaningFUL relationships. #scichat |
| 1:18 am |
padgets: |
#scichat use many project based learning activities, work to set up but worth it |
| 1:18 am |
stardiverr: |
I think confirmation labs can be turned into inquiy pretty easily #scichat |
| 1:18 am |
Brunsell: |
@gardenglen or reading to make their experience explicit. #scichat |
| 1:18 am |
doctorjeff: |
@aforgrave active inquiry is subject independent in my mind. #scichat |
| 1:18 am |
mattguthrie: |
@porchdragon @doctorjeff looking fwd 2 poss of 2 tchr MS team where will integrate 4 basic core subj next year #scichat |
| 1:19 am |
janellewilson: |
@gardenglen Students mentioned at end of year 1 of best things about class was rarely using textbook. But we still read sci lit. #scichat |
| 1:19 am |
joangallagher: |
In the words of @chrislehman We teach KIDS, no subjects. #scichat |
| 1:19 am |
ehelfant: |
agree with @gardenglen (he must have brainwashed me yesterday) vocabulary use about learning and discipline is important #scichat |
| 1:19 am |
Brunsell: |
@stardiverr agreed -- "Activity Before Content" just tweak it and move it BEFORE the lecture / reading! #scichat |
| 1:19 am |
aforgrave: |
@doctorjeff So what differentiates "doing science" from other disciplines? #scichat |
| 1:20 am |
porchdragon: |
@aforgrave absolutely not, inquiry can be done in all subjects-if only people understood inquiry #scichat |
| 1:20 am |
doctorjeff: |
@mattguthrie that sounds really exciting!! #scichat A model for replication? |
| 1:20 am |
mattguthrie: |
@chrisludwig @gardenglen @brunsell safety concerns = crock. Learn to manage your classroom & let kids be active learners #scichat |
| 1:20 am |
porchdragon: |
@posthhs Amen to that! #scichat |
| 1:20 am |
posthhs: |
Do any districts strike a good balance between building a solid foundation of science and relevance? #scichat |
| 1:20 am |
porchdragon: |
RT @joangallagher: @porchdragon Nice! ;) Content is meaningLESS w/out meaningFUL relationships. #scichat |
| 1:20 am |
Brunsell: |
@padgets and the work is frontloaded -- when the project is in action, you can actually spend time working alongside your kids! #scichat |
| 1:20 am |
gardenglen: |
I consider @janellewilson also means number literacy w/ data, charts, & graphs from Sci activities also increases relevancy #scichat |
| 1:20 am |
Nunavut_Teacher: |
RT @porchdragon: @doctorjeff ALL subjects should be taught togther and students should be shown the connections #scichat |
| 1:21 am |
mattguthrie: |
@chrisludwig @gardenglen @brunsell that wasn't nice on my part but I get tired of hearing, "I can't get mine to behave for labs" #scichat |
| 1:21 am |
joangallagher: |
@21stcenturychem Thanks! LOVE brainstorming w/ teachers about whole class inquiry! #scichat |
| 1:21 am |
porchdragon: |
@Brunsell bridge project? #scichat |
| 1:21 am |
padgets: |
#scichat we use concept mapping, semantic mapping and other literacy strategies to teach vocab, what do you use? |
| 1:21 am |
stardiverr: |
.@Brunsell when students "discover" that cellualr respiration doesnt need light, they remember..... #scichat |
| 1:21 am |
doctorjeff: |
@aforgrave I think the way science ought to be taught should be the way other subjects are taught. No? #scichat |
| 1:21 am |
mattguthrie: |
@doctorjeff hope so if it comes to pass, Admin excited about it too #scichat |
| 1:21 am |
janellewilson: |
@padgets I created lessons using strategies I was unfamiliar with while getting gifted endorsement; felt my class was much better #scichat |
| 1:22 am |
aforgrave: |
Shown connections? or allowed to make connections? @Nunavut_Teacher @porchdragon@doctorjeff #scichat |
| 1:22 am |
gardenglen: |
IMHO @aforgrave @doctorjeff Sci is not something we "do" rather a set of processes & skills 2 help solve life's problems #scichat |
| 1:22 am |
Brunsell: |
@porchdragon @aforgave each discipline has their own "norms" for inquiry - students should be allowed to explore them. #scichat |
| 1:22 am |
stardiverr: |
.@ehelfant have struggled with "grading' for many years. Recently discovered I'm not alone. #scichat |
| 1:22 am |
doctorjeff: |
@aforgrave I think good 'science education' has a red herring in it 'science'. #scichat |
| 1:22 am |
posthhs: |
Unfortunately most of us don't teach in a "free curriculum" envt & have to struggle to apply science & generate super test scores. #scichat |
| 1:22 am |
chrisludwig: |
@mattguthrie Oh, you were right on. I get tired of excuses too for not performing labs. Need to find ways to enable these teachers. #scichat |
| 1:22 am |
porchdragon: |
@doctorjeff mandated cuyrriculum tests that only require regurgitation stand in my way! #scichat |
| 1:22 am |
gardenglen: |
I agree w/ @mattguthrie that management of Sci Lab is important (not copout) I had 41 stdnts dissecting in 1 period this yr #scichat |
| 1:22 am |
mattguthrie: |
This neat relevant trick RT @principalspage: Periodic Table Seating Chart. http://post.ly/itjl #scichat |
| 1:23 am |
janellewilson: |
@padgets Took lot of planning, but allowed for incredible creative thinking & projects to show understanding. Now revamp all units #scichat |
| 1:23 am |
joangallagher: |
I luv giving students articles (NYTimes) or news (NPR) w/ the content in CONTEXT & THEN having them lead us 2 the content w/ ?S #scichat |
| 1:23 am |
aforgrave: |
@doctorjeff Okay, if we accept that, how does science guide learning in general (ie, other disciplines?) #scichat |
| 1:23 am |
porchdragon: |
@aforgrave nice reply... BOTH! #scichat |
| 1:23 am |
stardiverr: |
@mattguthrie @chrisludwig @gardenglen @brunsell gah. Labs, well managed, eliminate behavior probles. #scichat |
| 1:23 am |
doctorjeff: |
What is at the core of relevance to our students? I mean independent of science ed? #scichat |
| 1:24 am |
posthhs: |
Maybe a weekly or monthly "Tie it in Tuesday" where students must bring to class relevant issues to what has been learned so far #scichat |
| 1:24 am |
janellewilson: |
@gardenglen Yes! Teaching kids to interpret data effectively is so important! What dies that graph/chart really mean? #scichat |
| 1:24 am |
stardiverr: |
.@doctorjeff sometimes, simple survival is their priority #scichat |
| 1:24 am |
Brunsell: |
@porchdragon research shows that inquiry-based science teaching works for improving standardized tests. Large study in Detroit. #scichat |
| 1:24 am |
chrisludwig: |
Definitely! RT @stardiverr: @ehelfant have struggled with "grading' for many years. Recently discovered I'm not alone. #scichat |
| 1:24 am |
doctorjeff: |
@aforgrave ok, good. You are teasing a stream of consciousness out of me. #scichat |
| 1:24 am |
padgets: |
#scichat so may of you could not teach the way I can? |
| 1:25 am |
gardenglen: |
I started playing a podcast @ start of each lesson. Helping stdnts know how sci happens in current news - easily related 2 topic #scichat |
| 1:25 am |
mattguthrie: |
RT @posthhs: Maybe a weekly or monthly "Tie it in Tuesday" where stdts must bring relevant issues to what has been learned so far #scichat |
| 1:25 am |
joangallagher: |
@posthhs Have u ever experimented w/ letting go & really emphasizing thinking piece? When I did, kids scored better on stand.tests #scichat |
| 1:25 am |
21stcenturychem: |
being able to communicate science effectively is an important as well #scichat |
| 1:25 am |
aschwortz: |
As a higher ed sic teacher, I'm shocked by how little science my students know coming in. #scichat |
| 1:25 am |
doctorjeff: |
@aforgrave Science has something interesting going 4 it-the scientific method. It's often taught badly but it's sorta the rule book #scichat |
| 1:25 am |
janellewilson: |
@posthhs True - but if I teach my kids to really think, I figure they'll be able to find most logical answer on test. #scichat |
| 1:26 am |
gardenglen: |
Two options 2 help student behavior: management = planning done B4 class ... discipline = done during class #scichat |
| 1:26 am |
joangallagher: |
@mattguthrie Disagree w/ Tues idea. Nurtures idea that science is something to "visit" rather than an integral part of the day... #scichat |
| 1:26 am |
mattguthrie: |
@aschwortz do you mean little content OR little process skills? #scichat |
| 1:26 am |
doctorjeff: |
@aforgrave The Scientific Method embraces a process approach for exploration and learning. But its an approach for all subjects #scichat |
| 1:26 am |
joangallagher: |
@janellewilson Indeed! Very true! #scichat |
| 1:27 am |
chrisludwig: |
I think @porchdragon had some great relevancy ideas a while back about showing new images of the day to start class. Good stuff! #scichat |
| 1:27 am |
aschwortz: |
@Brunsell @porchdragon when I try inquiry in higher Ed my students are very resistant. #scichat |
| 1:27 am |
aforgrave: |
@doctorjeff method aside, I wonder if a key strength in science is the body-on interaction with real-world objects. #scichat |
| 1:27 am |
gardenglen: |
I, like @joangallagher emphasized deeper thinking on topics & 96% of stdnts passed state test #scichat |
| 1:27 am |
doctorjeff: |
@aforgrave It also provides RELEVANCE in a students life - we need to navigate thru the world every day - we need a process #scichat |
| 1:27 am |
joangallagher: |
@aschwortz Science facts or science processing skills? How are u determining each? #scichat |
| 1:27 am |
Brunsell: |
I try to model and emph. relevancy with my pre-sci teachers. Frustrated when none of (in Earth Sci) did anything with oil spill. #scichat |
| 1:27 am |
aschwortz: |
RT @janellewilson: @gardenglen Yes! Teaching kids to interpret data effectively is so important! What dies that graph/chart really mean? #scichat |
| 1:27 am |
porchdragon: |
@Brunsell absolutely does. I have proved it here.But that does not count the time i waste with students/parents who don't see it B4 #scichat |
| 1:27 am |
padgets: |
#scichat We use PIT-BC, Problem State, Instructions, Then-Because , conclusion, we also graph data that includes, Quant and Qual data you? |
| 1:27 am |
doctorjeff: |
@aforgrave if we are successful navigators, we likely use something like the scientific method without realizing it. #scichat |
| 1:28 am |
mattguthrie: |
@joangallagher depends on implementation.Can't always get to EVERY issue, but if I know Mr. G will talk about this on Tues . . . #scichat |
| 1:28 am |
gardenglen: |
My principal asked that I do as @janellewilson mentioned & use more data interpretation nxt yr (2 help school math scores go up) #scichat |
| 1:28 am |
porchdragon: |
@gardenglen which podcasts? #scichat |
| 1:28 am |
doctorjeff: |
@aforgrave we do science .... and art ... and cooking ... and athletics with that same inquiry-based approach. #scichat |
| 1:28 am |
Brunsell: |
@porchdragon very true! #scichat |
| 1:28 am |
aforgrave: |
@doctorjeff How might learning be different (in each discipline) if we removed texts, written work? #scichat |
| 1:28 am |
mattguthrie: |
RT @gardenglen: Two options 2 help student behavior: management = planning done B4 class ... discipline = done during class #scichat |
| 1:28 am |
stardiverr: |
discipline, for labs, is generally just teaching kids what is expected of them prior to lab #scichat |
| 1:29 am |
joangallagher: |
@21stcenturychem Yes, communicating effectively...& efficiently! These days, 2 get someone 2 understand yer point has to be fast! #scichat |
| 1:29 am |
posthhs: |
@janellewilson true true #scichat |
| 1:29 am |
doctorjeff: |
@aforgrave but the method is the means by which you have that interaction with the world, and navigate thru it. #scichat |
| 1:29 am |
aforgrave: |
@Brunsell Mother Earth has been most instructive for our curriculum this spring - Iceland volcano, Gulf oil spill. #scichat |
| 1:30 am |
padgets: |
#scichat we have a safety contracts kids and parents sign |
| 1:30 am |
aschwortz: |
@mattguthrie a bit of both. They don't know facts or how to synthesize ideas. Ex: mixing up end of the Earth and universe. #scichat |
| 1:30 am |
porchdragon: |
@chrisludwig Are you referring 2 starting each day w/ the APOD?My students freak if i don't show them what they missed over weekend #scichat |
| 1:30 am |
joangallagher: |
@mattguthrie Agreed, but don't like the word "discipline." If you implement "premeditated chaos" kids will fly! :-) #scichat |
| 1:30 am |
posthhs: |
@joangallagher Wow, that's exciting. Test score are big in my district, so I hold on to those reigns, but I really want to let go #scichat |
| 1:30 am |
Brunsell: |
@aforgrave unfortunately... I have started to call it "spontaneous relevancy" instead of planned relevancy. #scichat |
| 1:30 am |
ratzelster: |
And Haiti. All give us interesting tie ins to our curriculum #scichat #scichat |
| 1:30 am |
chrisludwig: |
@stardiverr and having appropriate consequences for misbehavior in lab. Still think its less about kids, more about teacher #scichat |
| 1:30 am |
porchdragon: |
@aschwortz ALL students and teachers are resistant to inquiry until they are forced to use it for a while #scichat |
| 1:31 am |
aforgrave: |
@doctorjeff I wonder. Do pre-schoolers have an informal method in place BEFORE we start "instructing" them? #scichat |
| 1:31 am |
doctorjeff: |
@ratzelster So science Teachable Moments in the News is one way to make it relevant? #scichat |
| 1:31 am |
mattguthrie: |
@joangallagher chaos def describes my class LOL #scichat |
| 1:31 am |
chrisludwig: |
@porchdragon Yep, that was it. I'm gonna try something like that in anatomy next year. Mystery medical image of the day maybe? #scichat |
| 1:31 am |
aschwortz: |
@mattguthrie I'm less concerned about lab skills tho, other than simple observation. #scichat |
| 1:31 am |
joangallagher: |
@posthhs DO IT! Letting instruction be dictated by tests actively harms student thinking and enthusiasm. #scichat |
| 1:31 am |
ratzelster: |
I decided to switch curriculum units around to try and match typical weather CE #scichat #scichat |
| 1:32 am |
gardenglen: |
Podcasts used: 60-Sec Sci, 60-Sec Earth, Sci Fri Video, Nature|PBS, & A Moment of Sci - most R less than 2 min long BUT engage kids #scichat |
| 1:32 am |
doctorjeff: |
@porchdragon which is bizarre, since by likely definition they need to use it daily to survive. #scichat |
| 1:32 am |
porchdragon: |
@chrisludwig there has to be a site for it! #scichat |
| 1:32 am |
joangallagher: |
@porchdragon @chrisludwig Might be fun to allow students to start the class each Monday! Take turns! #scichat |
| 1:32 am |
TeacherReality: |
RT @joangallagher: @posthhs DO IT! Letting instruction be dictated by tests actively harms student thinking and enthusiasm. #scichat |
| 1:32 am |
posthhs: |
After this #scichat, please add suggestions to this document listing good ideas generated tonight. It will help us all http://bit.ly/bnFD3s |
| 1:32 am |
aforgrave: |
@porchdragon @aschwortz and yet inquiry supported them through their first few years w/o direct instruction ... #scichat |
| 1:32 am |
mattguthrie: |
@aschwortz what would you like to see in your stdts when we are "done" with them? #scichat |
| 1:32 am |
padgets: |
#scichat my students write their own labs, do your students use a lab book? |
| 1:32 am |
doctorjeff: |
@aforgrave far from my expertise, but if I had to guess, I bet they do. In fact, I know they do. Just thought of my son at age 3. #scichat |
| 1:33 am |
ratzelster: |
Tying CE into the earth sci big ideas. But how do you do the big ideas into inquiry #scichat #scichat |
| 1:33 am |
doctorjeff: |
@mattguthrie chaos is good:) #scichat |
| 1:33 am |
doctorjeff: |
RT @joangallagher: @posthhs DO IT! Letting instruction be dictated by tests actively harms student thinking and enthusiasm. #scichat |
| 1:33 am |
joangallagher: |
@gardenglen And let kids pick a video or news lesson to share! Put it back on them to decide what is science news worthy. #scichat |
| 1:33 am |
posthhs: |
@joangallagher Yeah, I had at my old school, would try anything b/c tests were not an issue, ahh the freedom. #scichat Thx for encouragement |
| 1:34 am |
aforgrave: |
@doctorjeff So what is it about "schooling" that removes that natural inquisitiveness? what introduces "irrelevance" ? #scichat |
| 1:34 am |
ratzelster: |
@ratzelster I think so but I want them to get their hands dirty by doing something too..not just CE. #scichat #scichat |
| 1:34 am |
aschwortz: |
@joangallagher ex: @end of astro course, students can't distinguish btw end of Earth and universe. #scichat |
| 1:34 am |
chrisludwig: |
@joangallagher like that idea to have a kid choose the image of the day and discuss. Will try! #scichat |
| 1:34 am |
astrobex: |
RT @joangallagher: @posthhs DO IT! Letting instruction be dictated by tests actively harms student thinking and enthusiasm. #scichat |
| 1:34 am |
porchdragon: |
@doctorjeff they only need to use it when people force them too. everything in their lives is dictated to them #scichat |
| 1:35 am |
porchdragon: |
@chrisludwig LOL! did a quick google search for anatomy pic of day... you may want to create your own! LOL! #scichat |
| 1:35 am |
gardenglen: |
I forgot - (thnx @joangallagher) my stdnts often suggest the podcast 2 use 4 class. They love seeing their choice selected. #scichat |
| 1:35 am |
aschwortz: |
@mattguthrie ability to take new facts and fit them into their existing framework of knowledge. Synthesize info. Info literacy. #scichat |
| 1:35 am |
joangallagher: |
@aschwortz Perhaps that perception is how u should start unit nxt time. Develop ways 2 lead them 2 better understanding from there. #scichat |
| 1:35 am |
doctorjeff: |
@aforgrave some: teaching book of knowledge assuming facts are important, students without ownership in process, teaching to test #scichat |
| 1:36 am |
mattguthrie: |
@ratzelster CE? "current events"? #scichat |
| 1:36 am |
porchdragon: |
@aforgrave that is how I start my Inquiry teaching seminar! I tell teachers that toddlers and teens use it(& not 4 school!) #scichat |
| 1:36 am |
padgets: |
@gardenglen #scichat Itunes has many freebie podcasts |
| 1:36 am |
aschwortz: |
@mattguthrie and most importantly, ability to use math, English, and research skills in a science class! #scichat |
| 1:36 am |
chrisludwig: |
@porchdragon Thanks for checking on that for me : ) Anatomy does run into the filters more than other subjects... #scichat |
| 1:36 am |
ratzelster: |
yes CE=current events #scichat #scichat |
| 1:37 am |
doctorjeff: |
@porchdragon is that true? Can I get through a day without decision making and risk assessment? #scichat |
| 1:37 am |
mattguthrie: |
@joangallagher @gardenglen picking news stories etc. blends w/other areas so well - SS, Comm Skilz, etc. #scichat |
| 1:37 am |
mattguthrie: |
#scichat |
| 1:37 am |
doctorjeff: |
RT @aschwortz: @mattguthrie and most importantly, ability to use math, English, and research skills in a science class! #scichat |
| 1:37 am |
Brunsell: |
I showed this to 60 MS students. Only 3 asked "critical" questions. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1rRvExSuCc&feature=related #scichat |
| 1:37 am |
aschwortz: |
@joangallagher ooh, good idea. I do other units starting fm misconceptions, didn't think of that here. #scichat |
| 1:38 am |
Brunsell: |
@mattguthrie and you ARE meeting standards...well, at least the new Common Core literacy standards #scichat |
| 1:38 am |
mattguthrie: |
@mattguthrie #scichat |
| 1:38 am |
gardenglen: |
Thnx 2 @padgets 4 mentioning iTunes ... that's where I get my FREE podcasts 4 classes #scichat |
| 1:38 am |
porchdragon: |
I tell all teachers that the last time they probably used inquiry was your first teen kiss and etcetera...lol! #scichat that gets a response |
| 1:38 am |
joangallagher: |
@gardenglen Nice! Gr8 2 always think about how 2 include student passions/interests. That's the KEY 2 making it relevant! :) #scichat |
| 1:39 am |
porchdragon: |
@doctorjeff I understand your point, but most don't see it that way. Finding things out is now a google click away 4 most #scichat |
| 1:40 am |
aschwortz: |
@doctorjeff teaching to test results in 90% of students at my Comm Coll having to retake remedial courses. #scichat |
| 1:40 am |
joangallagher: |
@aschwortz THIS is why these discussions are SO valuable! Just takes a colleague's helpful lens 2 help us see better! Glad 2 help! #scichat |
| 1:40 am |
doctorjeff: |
@Brunsell Gosh, I have critical question. How did they do that? #scichat It can't b cell phones or debate about brain cancer would b over. |
| 1:41 am |
ratzelster: |
They may be a click but interpreting and evaluating what the click brings back is huge. #scichat#scichat |
| 1:41 am |
padgets: |
#edchat #edtech #ELLCHAT #ntchat #teachertuesday #scichat time to go, have a good night, tweet you tomorrow thanks for the conversation |
| 1:41 am |
porchdragon: |
@aforgrave An answer 2 that (not THE answer) is that students go into elementary school loving inquiry & leave hating it #scichat |
| 1:41 am |
Brunsell: |
@porchdragon @doctorjeff this project got kids beyond clicking on Google.http://wearescientists.edublogs.org/overview/ #scichat |
| 1:41 am |
gardenglen: |
Agree w/ @joangallagher The more we include stdnt passions/interests the more Sci is relevant in stdnt lives. #scichat |
| 1:41 am |
aschwortz: |
@doctorjeff these students passed standardized exit exams, but didn't actually learn the material. Not prepared for college. #scichat |
| 1:42 am |
porchdragon: |
@gardenglen interesting! I have to try that! (having students suggest podcasts) #scichat |
| 1:42 am |
doctorjeff: |
@porchdragon so on relevance, if I make dinner, I'm making process decisions. On routing my car on errands, same. #scichat |
| 1:42 am |
porchdragon: |
@Brunsell will look at that later thanks! #scichat |
| 1:43 am |
Brunsell: |
@doctorjeff exactly. But only a few questioned the source or process. #scichat |
| 1:43 am |
gardenglen: |
We need 2 provide stdts the opportunity 2 learn/study Sci that can't B found w/ quick google search - reason 2 learn #scichat |
| 1:43 am |
chrisludwig: |
#scichat summary so far: relevancy comes from labs, not worksheets. It comes from incorporating current events/advances in the news. Others? |
| 1:44 am |
doctorjeff: |
@porchdragon on relevance, it's not just content connections, but I think we need to make process connections to everyday life. #scichat |
| 1:44 am |
Brunsell: |
I' m getting the fail whale. Must be too much conversation on #scichat! |
| 1:45 am |
mattguthrie: |
@brunsell that's a cool video. Will def have to use next year #scichat |
| 1:45 am |
porchdragon: |
@doctorjeff how often do students make their own dinner or have to make choices on how to get to friends house down the street? #scichat |
| 1:45 am |
stardiverr: |
.@aschwortz do you have HS students at Comm Coll for dual credit? WOuld love to hear how they do #scichat |
| 1:46 am |
janellewilson: |
We have sci vertical team: pre-k to hs Hoping to go watch preschoolers be scientists this yr & see what can I can bring back to ms #scichat |
| 1:46 am |
aforgrave: |
@porchdragon So perhaps our first duty is to reverse that trend? Maintain the love of inquiry? #scichat |
| 1:46 am |
2footgiraffe: |
How long has #scichat been running? never seen it before |
| 1:46 am |
mattguthrie: |
must go. been a long day. will there be an archive somewhere? #scichat |
| 1:46 am |
gardenglen: |
2 have stdnts suggest podcasts, I suggest @porchdragon demo good podcasts 1st - then invite students 2 bring them in #scichat |
| 1:47 am |
doctorjeff: |
@porchdragon hmmm, are you saying we're raising pre-programmed zombies with predetermined pathways thu the day/ Maybe that's pbm. #scichat |
| 1:47 am |
aschwortz: |
@porchdragon true, but students don't understand how to evaluate reliability of what they find when they click. #scichat |
| 1:47 am |
21stcenturychem: |
Am I the only one here that doesn't have to deal with standardized tests? #scichat |
| 1:47 am |
joangallagher: |
@aschwortz Someone should just take the risk and not teach to the test to show how many kids DON'T need remediation afterwards! :) #scichat |
| 1:48 am |
Brunsell: |
@mattguthrie I wrote this a long time ago - http://bit.ly/9Af9MB #scichat |
| 1:48 am |
doctorjeff: |
@porchdragon no seriously, maybe they cannot relate because we've provided them lives devoid of significant inquiry. #scichat |
| 1:48 am |
mattguthrie: |
Good summary RT @chrisludwig: relevancy comes from labs, not worksheets. from incorporating curr events/advances in news. Others? #scichat |
| 1:48 am |
Brunsell: |
@chrisludwig student-driven experiences! #scichat |
| 1:48 am |
doctorjeff: |
@Brunsell and they probably had no problem using their cell phones after that either :) #scichat |
| 1:49 am |
21stcenturychem: |
thinking as scientists #scichat |
| 1:49 am |
ratzelster: |
Wished relevancy also linked to solving problems that students encountered but harder to incorporate #scichat #scichat |
| 1:49 am |
gardenglen: |
Relevancy also comes from relating sci 2 stdnt interests @chrisludwig #scichat |
| 1:49 am |
Brunsell: |
We should be helping students answer their questions, not answering the questions they didn't ask... #scichat |
| 1:49 am |
aschwortz: |
@chrisludwig maybe if students did more labs in K-12 they wouldn't hate them when they come to me @ Comm Coll. #scichat |
| 1:50 am |
chrisludwig: |
@gardenglen Also need to work on google-proof assessment. Our usual multiple choice Q's need to be revamped or thrown out. #scichat |
| 1:51 am |
janellewilson: |
When I teach rocks, ask kids to bring in "pet rock". 6th graders love rocks-& use what they bring & make observations to identify #scichat |
| 1:51 am |
doctorjeff: |
@chrisludwig immersive experiences; serious project-based opportunities; promoting process&thinking; interdisciplinary approaches? #scichat |
| 1:51 am |
gardenglen: |
I think it is hard 2 have MC assessments using authentic performance assessments w/ labs @chrisludwig #scichat |
| 1:52 am |
Brunsell: |
@gardenglen A school near me had students use science TED videos as a writing prompt (extra credit assignment). #scichat |
| 1:52 am |
janellewilson: |
@2footgiraffe Tonight is the first time for #scichat |
| 1:52 am |
doctorjeff: |
@2footgiraffe tonite is first nite! #scichat Welcome! |
| 1:52 am |
aschwortz: |
@stardiverr homeschooled kids here in MA are great. Dual in Phys are more mature than trad students. #scichat |
| 1:52 am |
chrisludwig: |
@2footgiraffe New tonight! Good stuff if you search the #scichat hashtag. |
| 1:52 am |
kim_mcneill: |
Kind of. MT @Mamacita: I believe that science is best learned when hands get dirty & there's a lot of "ooh!" and "cool!" #edchat #scichat |
| 1:52 am |
gardenglen: |
@2footgiraffe tonight is 1st #scichat - very excited about it |
| 1:53 am |
stardiverr: |
.@21stcenturychem I'm envious #scichat |
| 1:53 am |
Brunsell: |
@2footgiraffe this is the first one! #scichat |
| 1:53 am |
gardenglen: |
Love it RT @Brunsell: A school near me had students use science TED videos as a writing prompt (extra credit assignment). #scichat |
| 1:53 am |
chrisludwig: |
@gardenglen But it sure is easy to have MC assessments if all you give are worksheets! (sigh). #scichat |
| 1:53 am |
doctorjeff: |
RT @Brunsell: We should be helping students answer their questions, not answering the questions they didn't ask... #scichat |
| 1:53 am |
doctorjeff: |
RT @gardenglen: Relevancy also comes from relating sci 2 stdnt interests @chrisludwig #scichat |
| 1:53 am |
kelalford: |
RT @mattguthrie: Good summary RT @chrisludwig: relevancy comes from labs, not worksheets. from incorporating curr events/advances in news. Others? #scichat |
| 1:54 am |
21stcenturychem: |
If we limited our courses to answering the questions that students came up with themselves, would we cover more or less content? #scichat |
| 1:54 am |
Brunsell: |
@doctorjeff and/or I will Tweet location of archive and info about the next #scichat. Let's do this on a regular basis! |
| 1:54 am |
terri_science: |
Getting on VERY Late. Love using Compfight.com to filter flickr pics for creative commons. Get GREAT images on current events #scichat |
| 1:54 am |
aschwortz: |
@stardiverr all phys students are highly motivated, self selected. Some dual in GenEd sci are not ready for heavy workload. #scichat |
| 1:54 am |
porchdragon: |
ok something has happened to twitter and it is not telling me my tweets are being sent #scichat |
| 1:54 am |
21stcenturychem: |
If we limited our courses to answering the Qs that students came up with themselves, would we cover more or less content? #scichat |
| 1:54 am |
joangallagher: |
@Brunsell LOVE IT! Nicely said! #scichat |
| 1:54 am |
janellewilson: |
@aschwortz That's sad that they hate labs! My 6th graders love labs! #scichat |
| 1:55 am |
ratzelster: |
@janellewilson And then how to tie what they learned about rocks into their world. #scichat |
| 1:55 am |
doctorjeff: |
Twitter is not cooperating! #scichat |
| 1:55 am |
gardenglen: |
LOL @chrisludwig - I admit I use MC (usually in formative assessments w/ stdnts) #scichat |
| 1:55 am |
porchdragon: |
@aforgrave I think having teachers show real inquiry to other teachers and PROVE that it is beneficial would help a lot #scichat |
| 1:55 am |
aforgrave: |
RT @doctorjeff: RT @Brunsell: We should be helping students answer their questions, not answering the questions they didn't ask... #scichat |
| 1:56 am |
aschwortz: |
@21stcenturychem I'm in higher Ed so I don't. We're terrified of potential fed laws making new exit exams tho. #scichat |
| 1:56 am |
porchdragon: |
@aforgrave I think having teachers show real inquiry to other teachers and PROVE that it is beneficial would help a lot@aschwortz #scichat |
| 1:56 am |
Brunsell: |
@hrmason @gardenglen let's connect about this. I'm very interested in collaborating. Like Chistian Long's http://bit.ly/bxmClC #scichat |
| 1:56 am |
joangallagher: |
@21stcenturychem Irrelevant. Depth is WAY more important than breadth. We should be UNcovering & DIScovering, not covering. #scichat |
| 1:57 am |
stardiverr: |
@chrisludwig @gardenglen spent days thinkimg of stuff for ggle-prf, kept finding "answers" on ask.com or wikianswers or chacha. #scichat |
| 1:57 am |
2footgiraffe: |
@Brunsell How do you use the popcorn vid? It works with bananas too. haha http://ow.ly/1VXCj#scichat |
| 1:57 am |
aschwortz: |
@21stcenturychem my school's working on outcomes assessment ourselves before the Feds mandate something we don't want. #scichat |
| 1:57 am |
2footgiraffe: |
@Brunsell How do you use the popcorn vid? It works with bananas too. haha http://ow.ly/1VXCL#scichat |
| 1:57 am |
porchdragon: |
@doctorjeff yup! that is my point #scichat |
| 1:58 am |
doctorjeff: |
@joangallagher @chrisludwig @21stcenturychem @mattguthrie @terri_science @ratzelster@gardenglen @porchdragon Gr8 first #scichat @aschwortz |
| 1:58 am |
chrisludwig: |
#scichat summary 2: add student designed experiences and extended immersion experiences (when possible) =depth, not breadth |
| 1:58 am |
aforgrave: |
RT @porchdragon Show real inquiry to other teachers, PROVE that it's beneficial would help a lot #scichat |
| 1:58 am |
joangallagher: |
@gardenglen Have them do a TED talk themselves! :-) #scichat |
| 1:58 am |
janellewilson: |
@ratzelster Yes! Discuss where rock came from (often backyard) and we start understanding our local geology. #scichat |
| 1:58 am |
2footgiraffe: |
@chrisludwig you mean i'm in on the ground floor. yahoooo #scichat |
| 1:58 am |
aschwortz: |
@janellewilson they can't handle the uncertainty of results, and can't write a coherent lab report. #scichat |
| 1:59 am |
doctorjeff: |
@porchdragon that ...... is very very ........ sad. It makes relating all subjects to their lives much harder. #scichat |
| 1:59 am |
janellewilson: |
@porchdragon Twitter is very wonky right now :( #scichat |
| 1:59 am |
Brunsell: |
@aschwortz check out "Backward Faded Scaffolding" by Slater, Slater & Lyons (intro astronomy) #scichat |
| 1:59 am |
doctorjeff: |
@janellewilson and get them to say "I wonder what is under that rock?" #scichat see where it leads |
| 1:59 am |
21stcenturychem: |
This year we focused on fewer topics at a much greater depth, but hard to compete with students who's parents want SATII subj #scichat |
| 1:59 am |
porchdragon: |
@doctorjeff I agree! can't wait till next week! #scichat |
| 2:00 am |
aschwortz: |
If you do labs, do you do formal lab reports, just parts (questions, observations, etc.), or nothing? #scichat |
| 2:00 am |
gardenglen: |
@Brunsell @hrmason I'm also interested in collaborating. Like Chistian Long's http://bit.ly/bxmClCDM me & let's gDoc 2gether #scichat |
| 2:00 am |
porchdragon: |
@aschwortz I agree. That is something I try to teach #scichat |
| 2:00 am |
ratzelster: |
@janellewilson What if we worked w/ land developer who could give us access to how different rocks chg how they build? or something #scichat |
| 2:01 am |
chrisludwig: |
@stardiverr Google-proof =moving up Bloom's to get to those higher-order thinking tasks. Data=easy. Interpretation=harder #scichat |
| 2:01 am |
gardenglen: |
@stardiverr it is hard 2 google proof questions - just provide more open ended ?s - Essential Questions usually work 4 me #scichat |
| 2:01 am |
Brunsell: |
RT @ratzelster: @janellewilson What if we worked w/ land developer who could give us access to how different rocks chg how they build? or something #scichat |
| 2:01 am |
janellewilson: |
@aschwortz that's really discouraging. #scichat |
| 2:01 am |
mattguthrie: |
RT @doctorjeff: @joangallagher @chrisludwig @21stcenturychem @terri_science @ratzelster@gardenglen @porchdragon Gr8 1st #scichat @aschwortz |
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EarthGoddess52: |
RT @gardenglen: Relevancy also comes from relating sci 2 stdnt interests @chrisludwig #scichat |
| 2:01 am |
21stcenturychem: |
@aschwortz, I do a mix; loads of formals for my advanced, bits and pieces though the year building up to 1 full formal for intro. #scichat |
| 2:01 am |
porchdragon: |
@doctorjeff It is a very personal thing to watch them join this zombie culture and not get through to them that they can do better #scichat |
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